Re: [xep-support] Marginals in a multi-column document

Hi Kevin,

Thanks. That should do the trick. Can you send me these examples you
were talking about? Then I can give it a try.

Thanks in advance
Gabriel Flepp

Am Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:48:12 -0700
schrieb "Kevin Brown" <kevin@renderx.com>:

> Gabriel:
>
> Ah, I see now I misread the question. I am assuming that the
> marginalis do not impact the flow of the column. If that is true then
> one way to solve that problem is to use the XEP intermediate format
> and <rx:pinpoint> objects. Bascially, you would format the whole
> document with special markers and then using those markers, format a
> document that has only the marginalis and join them.
>
> You can get the actual "X", "Y" and original value of an
> <rx:pinpoint> and because the XEP intermediate format is an XML file,
> you can also know the page. One could them develop an XSL that
> "reads" the XEP intermediate file and creates a new XSL FO that just
> contains the marginals positioned correctly.
>
> You would loop through all xep:document/xep:page then only call the
> marginal template to place it at the known "Y" and the new "X". This
> second FO is formatted to XEP intermediate format also. The two XEP
> intermediate files can be joined with XSL and then finally processed
> to desired output.
>
> So ...
>
> 1) XML+XSL ------> RenderX ------> XEP W/O Marginalis
> You already have this, you need to hide marginallis and add
> <rx:pinpoints>, just calling RenderX to produce XEP intermediate
> format and not final output
>
> 2) XEP W/O Marginalis+XSL -------> Marginals FO
> We can send an example that does this step and creates special headers
> instead of marginalis but the concept is exactly the same. You would
> only need to place absolutely positioned block-containers at known
> places.
>
> 3) Marginals FO -> RenderX ------> XEP Marginals
> This is just RenderX XEP. You end up with a document if formatted that
> contains only the marginalis and nothing else.
>
> 4) XEP Marginals and XEP W/O marginals --> XEP Joined
> This is pure XSL, we can send this to you. You join the two documents
> at the XEP intermediate format stage, basically copying content for
> one into the other.
>
> 5) XEP Joined -----> RenderX ------> PDF/PS
> This is just RenderX XEP. You run the combined document.
>
> All of the above can be in a simple program or even a single batch
> file that does everything. You only pass the XML and XSL and get
> final output.
>
> This is the exact solution we used for custom headers and custom
> advertising in a recent book we are working on for a customer. We had
> to place custom headers based on page content on left/right pages and
> also custom advertising on top of the page that could not be
> determined using pure XSL FO.
>
> More information on the XEP intermediate format is here:
>
> http://www.renderx.com/reference.html#IntermediateFormatSpecification
>
> A good example of similar techniques for placing form fields on a
> page given rx:pinpoints is here:
>
> http://www.renderx.com/solutions/wp_itext_forms.html
>
> I promised the xep-support list a new white paper on the similar
> solution but in order to do this, I have to clean up the data as it
> is private. Perhaps we can walk through the solution here for you.
>
>
> Kevin Brown
> RenderX, Inc.
> (650) 327-1000 Direct
> (650) 328-8008 Fax
> (925) 395-1772 Mobile
> skype:kbrown01
> kevin@renderx.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xep-support@renderx.com
> [mailto:owner-xep-support@renderx.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Flepp
> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:51 AM
> To: xep-support@renderx.com
> Subject: Re: [xep-support] Marginals in a multi-column document
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks but sorry, that's not it. I need to place marginalis in a
> two-column document. The float="outside" places the marginals on the
> outside for odd and even pages. It doesn't work with columns.
>
> This is what I need:
> txttxttxt txttxttxt
> mar txttxttxt txttxttxt
> txttxttxt txttxttxt mar
> mar txttxttxt txttxttxt
> txttxttxt txttxttxt mar
> txttxttxt txttxttxt
> txttxttxt txttxttxt
>
> I either need to find out in wich column I am or I have to
> find a function like fo:change-bar wich has a "placement='alternate'"
> parameter. But with fo:change-bar I only have bars and no text:(
>
> Regards
> Gabriel Flepp
>
>
> Am Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:57:08 -0700
> schrieb "Kevin Brown" <kevin@renderx.com>:
>
> > Isn't this what you want:
> >
> > http://xep.xattic.com/xep/testsuite/usecases/marginalia.pdf
> >
> > This uses <fo:float float="outside>...</fo:float>
> >
> > It is on this page:
> >
> > http://renderx.net/usecasestest.html
> >
> > Under the heading "Creating marginalia using side floats".
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xep-support@renderx.com
> > [mailto:owner-xep-support@renderx.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Flepp
> > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 7:54 AM
> > To: xep-support@renderx.com
> > Subject: Re: [xep-support] Marginals in a multi-column document
> >
> > Am Wed, 20 May 2009 09:28:29 +0200
> > schrieb Gabriel Flepp <gabriel@reichardt.ch>:
> >
> > > Am Mon, 18 May 2009 13:16:44 +0200
> > > schrieb Gabriel Flepp <gabriel@reichardt.ch>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I need to place marginals in a two column document. That is, I
> > > > have to place the marginals on the left side of the document for
> > > > the left column and on the right side for the right column. How
> > > > do i determine in which column I am at the time, when I have to
> > > > place the marginal?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Gabriel
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I nearly found a solution. I managed to include the xalan classes.
> > > There is a class called NodeInfo. And this class has a method
> > > columnNumber(). That would be it. Now I have to set an attribute
> > > in the TransformerFactory to get this thing to work. How/where do
> > > I set the source_location attribute to true?? I didn't find any
> > > instructions/tutorials/howtos/examples on how to do this. Can
> > > anybody help?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Gabriel
> > >
> > >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Still no solution. But I found out that there is a getColumnNumber()
> > method in the saxon.jar as well. Can someone point to an example on
> > how to use this? It seems, I have trouble to understand on how this
> > whole xmlns/java classes/extention thing works :(
> >
> > Regards
> > Gabriel
> >
>
>

-- 
Gabriel Flepp
Reichardt Informatik AG
Hoehenweg 22
CH-4142 Muenchenstein
gabriel@reichardt.ch
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