Re: [xep-support] unexpected bidi behaviour with english text in right-to-left mode

hi,

the data comes from one and the same data source and its either lr or rl or
mixed.
thus, we can not implement embedding levels. this would require analyzing
the content and split it into fragments which is almost the last on the
list from a software design point of view.

the same data on the database can be accessed using WinSQL or QMF for
Windows (which has some other bugs) and there the data is shown correctly,
even notepad does it right.

another problem occurs when the english phrase is closed with a closing
bracket which becomes a open bracket and is moved to the left most
position.

e.g.
first part of the text (embraced text)

gets printed as

(first part of the text (embraced text

because there are unicode based tools and applications out which treat this
information correctly i am tempted to consider this as a bug.

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At 2010-05-12 10:10 +0200, Gerald Wiesinger wrote:
>we are using a common stylesheet to create documents in various languages,
>one of them: hebrew.
>
>the data is within the XML file and can be any language, pure
>left-to-right, pure right-to-left and mixed with numbers and text.
>
>the only control we use is the writing mode which we set on the highest
>possible container level for hebrew documents to rl-tb and for the others
>lr-tb.
>however, the data which gets fed into the rendering process can be any and
>we dont know and should not know or understand the content.
>
>the problem now is that in case we receive e.g. a english address for a
>hebrew (right-to-left) document we find some (not all) special characters
>like commas, full stops in the wrong sequence.
>
>example:
>
>the address:
>19 LEONARDO DE-VINZI ST.
>TEL AVIV.
>
>gets printed as
>.19 LEONARDO DE-VINZI ST
>.TEL AVIV
>
>i understand that the change to the lr writing mode would solve this

I don't believe that is correct. I believe all the specification
requires is that you embed the text of different sources using the
following:

    ...content from source A...
    <bidi-override unicode-bidi="embed">
      ...content from source B...
    </bidi-override>
    ...content from source A...

The embedding protects Unicode characters from being influenced by
surrounding characters.

There is a section of my XSL-FO book and class that discusses this.

>but we can not modify it as the language of the content is unknown.

That's okay ... XSL-FO processors are supposed to recognize Unicode
characters and follow the Unicode bi-directional algorithm which
accommodates embedding.

When a string of Unicode characters from a single source is used,
there is typically no need at all to think of this. But when mixing
characters from different sources (say from the input file and the
stylesheet, or from two places in the input files) embedding solves
many problems simply.

>the occurrence of this is imminent for full-stops after latin characters
or
>numbers.

I hope this helps.

. . . . . . . . . . . Ken

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